Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?

With this rule on, it's impossible to play as Halflings.
like this:

  • 2 Treemen - 240k
  • 10 Halflings - 300k
  • 1 Re-roll - 60k

Total 600k

or this:

  • 2 Treemen - 240k
  • 11 Halflings - 330k
  • 2 Re-rolls - 120k
  • 4 Fan Factor - 40k
  • 1 Cheerleader - 10k
  • 1 Assistant Coach - 10k

Total 750k

Without inducement, poor flings stand NO CHANCE AT ALL. Why should anyone bother playing with them?

There's been some speculation around Stunty teams being able to roster inducements.

We won't know until LE, but yeah Stunty teams are a bit borked by current rules.

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Halflings will get +300TV added to the Matchmaking calculation. Goblins +150. Only in matchmaking.

It should help them getting good matchups. We'll study the data gathered after the release of Legendary and see if we're satisfied with the results.

@Netheos So, in theory, if we had a TV1000 Halfling and a TV1000 Human team getting matched against each other, the Halfling would receive 300k petty cash for the inducement phase?

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@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos So, in theory, if we had a TV1000 Halfling and a TV1000 Human team getting matched against each other, the Halfling would receive 300k petty cash for the inducement phase?

No, the added TV is only for matchmaking. Halflings would get no petty cash in your example. But they're more likely to be paired with a team at 1300TV, meaning they would get approximately 300k in inducements most of the time.

Edit: Correction

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@Netheos Why would Halflings get 100k petty cash at even TV, then?

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@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos Why would Halflings get 100k petty cash at even TV, then?

That's me reading "1100" instead of "1000" in your text for the TV of the human team 😛

My bad sorry, they wouldn't get any petty cash at even TV.

@Netheos So there's no actual change in TV for matchmaking? It's just that the matchmaking system will try to match TV1000 with TV1300 for Halflings, instead of even TV?

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@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos So there's no actual change in TV for matchmaking? It's just that the matchmaking system will try to match TV1000 with TV1300 for Halflings, instead of even TV?

Exactly.

Edit: Actually it's the opposite. See below.

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@Netheos I feel like that'll backfire more than anything. Being down in TV is never fun, especially not when you're AV6 and the amount of Block, Tackle and Mighty Blow increases drastically. But who knows, maybe it'll work. Very skeptical personally, though.

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@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos I feel like that'll backfire more than anything. Playing up TV is never fun, especially not when you're AV6 and the amount of Block, Tackle and Mighty Blow increases drastically. But who knows, maybe it'll work. Very skeptical personally, though.

Ok there is a misunderstanding again.

The game will do its best to pair 1000TV halfling with 1300TV teams. The goal is to have them playing down in TV, as much as possible.

@Netheos I clarified my wording. Basically the niche that Halflings should have is that they mostly play against fresh rookie teams. That way you can at least have some fun with them during the season. And whoever ends up getting the best record with them will then get his team brutally murdered in the playoffs.

Halflings want inducements, yes. But making it so they get skewed match-ups against HIGHER TV teams will just lead to massacres. Just think about all the Dwarves that will be in the ladder when LE comes out and just how big a difference 300k TV can make! It's pretty much a guarantee that the Halfling team will be getting absolutely smashed by mass Tackleblock and Mighty Blow at that point.

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They won't nessecarily get matched up againts high tv teams, though. If their tv is only 700 they most likely go against 1000 tv teams (at least that's what i think will happen if i understand this correctly).

@Netheos said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

Edit: Actually it's the opposite. See below.

See what? Something's wrong with this thread, lol.

@Jilaag But as soon as we hit 1000TV+ that's already bad for Halflings.

@SirIronclad True, true. I do see the issue. Though with the current matchmaking system in place for BB2, i have a hard time seeing a better solution (besides maybe being able to roster inducements ofc).

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All these simplistic and arbitrary slap-patches on MM problems are like watching a Three Stooges movie... seriously.

@Netheos said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos I feel like that'll backfire more than anything. Playing up TV is never fun, especially not when you're AV6 and the amount of Block, Tackle and Mighty Blow increases drastically. But who knows, maybe it'll work. Very skeptical personally, though.

Ok there is a misunderstanding again.

The game will do its best to pair 1000TV halfling with 1300TV teams. The goal is to have them playing down in TV, as much as possible.

That's a disaster.

300TV is 6 Blocks, 4 Tackles, 3 Mighty Blows and 2 Pilling ons...

And what about local leagues? All of the AI opponents start at 1000~1100ish. Or those private online leagues where everyone starts a fresh team?

The Bank rule from plasmoid's CRP+(Bank: At the start of any game, all cash above 150K is automatically treated as Petty Cash. Petty Cash does not have to be spent, but does increase TV.) should not have implemented at all. It prevents everyone upgrading their stadiums more than lv2 and make that 'save 500k' achievement impossible. Plus spiral expenses it's a HUUUUGE handicap. And now It even becomes a game changer?!

(and I don't like the human catcher change and the previous orc blitzer change also from plasmoid's CRP+ BTW : P)

Please seriously consider making it at least optional.

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@Keith-Mo said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@SirIronclad said in Will 'money over 150k added to TV' be optional in LE?:

@Netheos I feel like that'll backfire more than anything. Playing up TV is never fun, especially not when you're AV6 and the amount of Block, Tackle and Mighty Blow increases drastically. But who knows, maybe it'll work. Very skeptical personally, though.

Ok there is a misunderstanding again.

The game will do its best to pair 1000TV halfling with 1300TV teams. The goal is to have them playing down in TV, as much as possible.

That's a disaster.

300TV is 6 Blocks, 4 Tackles, 3 Mighty Blows and 2 Pilling ons...

And what about local leagues? All of the AI opponents start at 1000~1100ish. Or those private online leagues where everyone starts a fresh team?

The Bank rule from plasmoid's CRP+(Bank: At the start of any game, all cash above 150K is automatically treated as Petty Cash. Petty Cash does not have to be spent, but does increase TV.) should not have implemented at all. It prevents everyone upgrading their stadiums more than lv2 and make that 'save 500k' achievement impossible. Plus spiral expenses it's a HUUUUGE handicap. And now It even becomes a game changer?!

(and I don't like the human catcher change and the previous orc blitzer change also from plasmoid's CRP+ BTW : P)

Please seriously consider making it at least optional.

I've asked elsewhere they allow it to be toggled off for solo player - achievments and fancy big stadiums are the bread and butter of solo play not online multiplayer. I'm not fan of spiralling expenses (in fact I detest it) but high cash adding to TV has its place in BB IMO.

Still I'm with the others here in they're gonna get massacred 300k down Vs bashy teams but I guess they always were gonna anyway lol - guess we will be looking at Puggy and Willow to try and ideally soak up the abuse with the inducements haha. As for the playoffs I don't think we will even see a Halflings team in them anyway, there's usually 16 spots - even with no more than one team per race qualification rule it's unlikely we will see low tier teens like Halflings and Ogres get through esp as it's more rewarding to play more games (something you gotta dread if your usually 300k down Vs fattened up bashy teams.)

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Keep in mind it only affects multiplayer ladder competitions. As explained before, we'll gather data and more feedback about many changes introduced in LE before tweaking anything further.

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