Is Deathwing officialy dead?
  • With no patches after 2 months since the EE launch (remember there was a first gold launch in december 2016)

  • Less than 100 players everyday

The game has no care about DEVs so, Is Deathwing officially dead?

On PS4 there's been one patch since it released. I've been playing every night, since launch, and although there aren't as many servers available, as the first week, I have no problem with playing in a four person team for every match. So for me, it's certainly not dead, and it's still one of the best coop, squad based, tactical shooters that I've played in a longtime.

Biggest tell tale is that there's no afk farming fix. That's been an issue since release and is insanely easy to sort, but they've let it go on for this long.

Over the last 30 days, average of 66 players. That's more corpse like than the Emp.

last edited by Mr B

Buenas, solo juego en ps4 al deathwing por las noches horario de España, y afirmo que la noche que más servidores/partidas había en el multijugador, eran 4, así que efectivamente, el juego está muerto..... Es más, estoy en 2 comunidades de space Hulk deathwing enhaced edition con alrededor de 50 miembros, y os aseguro que solo quedamos jugando de esas 2 comunidades solo 3 miembros por culpa de lo mal optimizado y todos esos fallos leves y gordos que lo hacen injugable... Una pena, me encanta el juego pero me estoy aburriendo de no poder disfrutarlo como el resto de mis compañeros y si no sacan un parche pronto reparando muchisimos fallos, creo que yo también lo abandonaré para siempre. Saludos

Hi, I only play ps4 at deathwing at night time in Spain, and I affirm that the night that there were more servers / games in the multiplayer, there were 4, so effectively, the game is dead ..... It's more, I'm in 2 communities of space Hulk deathwing enhaced edition with around 50 members, and I assure you that we are only playing from those 2 communities only 3 members because of the poorly optimized and all those slight and fat failures that make it unplayable ... Sorry, I love the game but I'm getting bored of not being able to enjoy it like the rest of my teammates and if they do not get a patch soon repairing a lot of mistakes, I think I'll abandon it forever too. regards

@hengist said in Is Deathwing officialy dead?:

On PS4 there's been one patch since it released. I've been playing every night, since launch, and although there aren't as many servers available, as the first week, I have no problem with playing in a four person team for every match. So for me, it's certainly not dead, and it's still one of the best coop, squad based, tactical shooters that I've played in a longtime.

Si porque encuentres partida dentro de la media de 20 personas que solo juegan al multijugador de deathwing le dices que el juego no está muerto.......

If you find a game within the average of 20 people who only play the deathwing multiplayer you tell them that the game is not dead .......

@axtro said in Is Deathwing officialy dead?:
you tell them that the game is not dead .......

I enjoy playing the game and I've never had a problem with finding people to play with. Which bit did you not understand, when I stated, that for me, the game isn't dead?

@hengist said in Is Deathwing officialy dead?:

@axtro said in Is Deathwing officialy dead?:
you tell them that the game is not dead .......

I enjoy playing the game and I've never had a problem with finding people to play with. Which bit did you not understand, when I stated, that for me, the game isn't dead?

Tienes razón querido amigo, el killzone 2 de ps3 aún se mete a jugar mi hijo pequeño, y tiene más servidores/partidas que el deathwing, osea que como tú dices en este caso tampoco está muerto.... Saludos

You're right dear friend, the killzone 2 of ps3 still gets to play my little boy, and has more servers / games than the deathwing, I mean that as you say in this case is not dead either ... Greetings

@axtro said in Is Deathwing officialy dead?:
You're right dear friend, the killzone 2 of ps3 still gets to play my little boy, and has more servers / games than the deathwing, I mean that as you say in this case is not dead either ... Greetings

It all depends on how you equate a game with being dead. If you judge it by the number of available servers, when compared to other games, then I can understand your point of view. However, I judge it by two factors. i) Do I enjoy playing it? & ii) Can I find people to play with? As long as those two conditions are met, then the game is very much alive for me. I don't really care about anything else. I guess that I'm just selfish. 🙂

Many players grind the same levels against the same enemies indefinitely in games like Vermintide because of the RNG loot casino, or so it would seem... SHDW, has a shorter life-span than RNG loot-based games; once someone’s accumulated all the customisations and played on No Mercy/FF many times over, they’re done, unless new DLC arrives. Some will obviously continually enjoy it regardless.

I very recently noticed our honourable friend Hengist posted a positively good review on Metacritic for SHDW, so maybe all us fans who positively enjoy the game should band together and bombard the metacritic with positive reviews so that more people might be encouraged to buy it and be playing it.

Maybe Streum should sell the Mace of Corswain (though it might need improving) as a one-off micro transaction on PlayStation to Russle up some extra cash that could be put towards patching the online issues, so players don’t get frustrated and leave prematurely because their online games keep quitting.

It is imperative these ‘bugs’ be ironed out if we want a lot of players consistently playing SHDW.

last edited by Kommodore77

Bombing with positive reviews is the most unproductive thing you can do.

Apart from giving this developer completely undeserved praise, it's misleading to potential customers. It also won't fix the problem.

People are not playing the game because it's crap. Sure a few enjoy it, but looking at the numbers drop and reviews the game just has no replayability. So even if there was an influx of players, it would drop off just as quick.

The game needs massive changes it won't get in order to gain and keep players.

As I wrote, fans who ‘positively enjoy’ the game could write reviews. Therefore, albeit positive, they’re honest and genuine reviews so are not misleading. Id say it’s misleading to give the game the metacritic rating it has at the mo. An unhappy Someone will have to russle up a group of negative critics to counterbalance the genuine positive reviews if theyre not happy. Anyway, it’s hardly gonna happen but was just an idea 🙃.

Perdonar que interrumpa, pero lo honesto para aquellos jugadores que quieren saber cómo es el juego y cómo funciona, sería decirles: el universo Warhammer, sus exterminadores, armas, habilidades.... Están excelentemente recreadas, su jugabilidad es algo torpe y no tiene mucha rejugabilidad una vez conseguidas las armas y habilidades, los escenarios y misiones les faltan más ideas y sobretodo interacción con el escenario, ya que vas de un lado para otro de la nave y por el camino solo hay genestalers junto con torretas, el resto es andar andar y andar de un punto a otro.... Y por último y más importante, avisarles a los nuevos futuros jugadores, que el juego no funciona correctamente en muchos aspectos, técnicos y no técnicos: bajadas de framerate, lag, pantallazos negros y azules, caídas del servidor, fallos en las armas al entrar a una partida, intentos fallidos de unirse a sesiones, habilidades que no se resetean y se quedan hasta la siguiente partida, activadas en pantalla, cámaras de muerte donde no puedes volver a jugar hasta fin de la partida, no hay migración de host con consiguiente pérdida de XP y todos los avances conseguidos.... Podría seguir pero los que quedan ya sin fallos pequeños que no entorpecen la jugabilidad como todos estos que a veces lo hacen injugable..... Ahhhhhhh!!!! Y se me olvidaba el mejor de todos, más de dos meses de su fecha de salida y aún no han reparado ninguno de estos fallos que he comentado más arriba.
A mí el juego me gusta, y me da igual la notas que tenga sinceramente, pero también digo la verdad sobre cómo está en estos momentos el juego, así que después ya cada uno sabiendo lo que se va a encontrar, que se lo compré si quiere. En mi opinión, ahora mismo sabiendo su funcionamiento que no es bueno, no me gastaba 40€ en este juego, en cambio si reparasen todo lo comentado antes, me volvería a gastar 40€ e incluso 60€ porqu GTe el juego me encanta. Para lo bueno y para lo malo, esa es la verdad ahora mismo. Saludos

Sorry to interrupt, but the honest thing for those players who want to know how the game is and how it works, would be to say: the Warhammer universe, its exterminators, weapons, skills ... They are excellently recreated, their gameplay is somewhat clumsy and has no a lot of replayability once the weapons and skills are obtained, the stages and missions lack more ideas and above all interaction with the stage, since you go from one side of the ship to the other and along the way there are only genestalers along with turrets, the rest is to walk and walk from one point to another .... And last and most important, to warn the new future players, that the game does not work correctly in many aspects, technical and non-technical: framerate drops, lag, black screenshots and blue, server crashes, weapons failures when entering a game, unsuccessful attempts to join sessions, skills that are not reset and remain until the next game, activated on screen a, death cameras where you can not play again until the end of the game, there is no host migration with consequent loss of XP and all the progress made ... I could continue but those that are left without small failures that do not interfere with the gameplay like all these that sometimes make it unplayable ..... Ahhhhhhh !!!! And I forgot the best of all, more than two months of its date of departure and have not yet repaired any of these failures that I have discussed above.
I like the game, and I do not care about the notes I have sincerely, but I also tell the truth about how the game is at this moment, so after everyone knows what they are going to find, I bought it if wants. In my opinion, right now knowing its operation is not good, I did not spend € 40 on this game, but if they repair everything I mentioned before, I would spend € 40 and even € 60 because I love the game. For the good and for the bad, that is the truth right now. regards

@kommodore77 I always say only honest reviews should be posted, anything else is simply not on.

However, everything should be fair - asking just one demographic to do so would give an incorrect viewpoint. I also disbelieve it when you say people have grouped together to post negative reviews. There's simply no proof.

However there is proof of the opposite, just have a look at the opening posts in the steam forums for EE. Many jumped on and gave it positive, giving it the incorrect positive status.

That helped people buy it, but it was misleading, as is evident in the score now.

So you see, what you describe has already been done, and the inevitable happened whereby people bought it and were dissapointed.

And of course, didn't hang around to play. Currently, there's 26 people playing.

Surely it’s misleading to claim I claimed people have grouped together, like a conspiracy, to write negative reviews. The media reviews are for whatever reason predominantly negative which I feel is harsh and misleading to potential customers.

The metacritic metascore (PS4) is misleadingly low (Imo) at 55 compared to say Vermintide 73 which equally has had its fair share of glitches, bugs, crashes, kicks etc, stupid AI (actually more infuriatingly stupid than SHDW. Honestly, I don’t get the anger bout the bots. they do their job if u work with them, they’re not Einstein’s, but better than Vermintides bots who never revive you and leave you to die but nonetheless SHDW gets docked for stupid AI buddies but seemingly Vermintide escapes that problem).

NOW, Vermintide (1) is supposedly sorted technically and balance-wise a couple years after release, but even the Xbox Gold release in Dec 17 was a bungle of constant kicks n crashes. Nevertheless, V got initial glowing positive reviews from metacritic on its release despite the gamers complaining bout crashes etc.

The bugs n crashes are the emphasised Achilles heal for SHDW. It’s subjective if u prefer Vermintide to SHDW. It wasn’t, when released, necessarily objectively the better game, it’s a different game and can be a lot of fun online, which it respectfully deserves some credit for rather than a pitiful 55 metascore, or 2.5 stars on Amazon. This game is better than that!!!

Maybe if ur into CoD and Destiny, and enjoy double jumps, jet packs and twitch shooting 360 spinning no scopes then SHDW ain’t the game for you, but for the more discerning and mature crowd 🧐 this is a good game and great fun in multiplayer on no mercy and ff, when it works, which is more often than people would have you believe, at least that’s my experience. Btw, if it keeps kicking you out then host ur own game and it should be better.

The crashes and kicks etc are clearly infuriating and they need fixing ASAP! The kicks etc are a big drag that over time can grind u down and would no doubt cause people to leave, but SHDW the game and indie company Streum should have the time/leeway Vermintide was afforded. We should be supportive of indie devs, not trash their game coz it needs a bit more polishing and refining. Don’t people want to see an improved, fully working version they can enjoy rather than gloating over its perceived downfall?

I highly doubt Streum have the luxury of the cash cow Shaun Murray fattened up and creamed off of by misleading unsuspecting punters. He’s got all the money in the world to finish his game and be praised for it!! I just hope Streum haven’t thrown in the towel and release a patch to end the online issues etc. And yep! you’re probably better off buying SHDW when and if the major bugs are squashed 🖖

I suppose if people go near a 55 metacritic or 2.5 Star game on Amazon then they might find it’s worthy of a better score, or we just hope it gets fixed and people subsequently leave positive reviews that merit the improvements...

Although I managed to fight my refund for the game and I do not have it anymore nor I have played it much because of technical issues but I think I have something to say.

Space Hulk Deathwing is often compared to the Vermintide, This comparison is not perfect because those two games are different in many ways but they are, nevertheless, similar too. People compare the Deathwing to the Vermintide because Vermintide was first on the market. It is harder for them for that reason alone but above that, you look on some aspect of both game.

Video. V1, V2, and SHD are looking beautiful. And I could even say that SHD is winning here because those dark corridors and chambers in the Spacehulk are a much richer environment for creating atmosphere.

But not only atmosphere make a game and in other aspects, SHD lies on the bottom, and if we compare to the Vermintide this bottom breaks off.

Vermintides are rich in dialogs and interaction between characters. Evry character is different not only in terms of abilities and gameplay but character too. This is magnetic and even when you play with randoms they often refer to each other by character's name, because this is a very developed feature of the game and characters are recognized by names. So, what we have in SHD? "For the Emperor!", "Purge the Xenos!", "For the Lion!", "For the Emperor!", "Purge the Xenos!", "For the Lion!" "..." Who says that? Could you say? Do you recognize the characters in the SHD? No, there are anonymous and without any character, they could be some two battle automatons and a Cybersmith instead. The fact that the plot was written by some Black library writer is a grim joke. You can accuse the Black library for many things but not for lack of dialogs between characters. There a few scripted lines (a very few) and nonsensical shouts, that's it. Not to mention that the plot is boring. It would be much better to spend the money that Gav took on something else.

The game lacks dynamic too. It is often slow. In Vermintide you are always on edge, hordes attack without warning and special enemies are a constant threat. In SHD we tread in silence true some corridors and enemies are where they should be most often and we are only accompanied by some humming and creaking, no music. It could be good for supporting the dark atmosphere of the game but this is not a horror game, there is nothing to be afraid and nothing to surprise you. This makes the game only more boring and less repetitive.

And now lest fantasize a little. We are making a Space Hulk game. First, we will have that our game will have some character do we get rid of the emo Dark Angels for the most part and we are putting Deathwatch instead . And look only at the possibility we have now. Space marines from different chapters, who are proud who they are and not necessarily agree with the way others and sometimes they despise them and are ready to express it loudly, interact with each other. Instead of boring Balial, we have some Inquisitor of Ordo Xenos, not necessarily fully respected by all members of the kill team. Wider perspective for weapons and skills. This could be something. I know that Deathwatch was not the thing it is now when they began with the game but still, present game is hollow and without any deepness.

Overall Vermintide 1 and 2 are better games, more dynamic, more interesting, deeper, more repetitive, more developmental and cheaper its no-brainer with one game to chose. Vermintide could have some technical issues at the beginning but they were dealt with quite quickly (FPS drops were fixes after 1,5 years in case of SHD) and the game has that magnetism. Something that SHD has not or it not effects so many people like in case of Vermintide.

last edited by Grey Seer

Kommodore, the arguments you use are completely flawed, because it's only based on your opinion, not a majorities.

I'll validate that.

First you say the media are wrong in their negative reviews. Why? Personally I feel the ones I've read have been extremely generous.

You compare to vermintide, which I won't go into detail because I haven't played it. But lets look at facts. It's got far, far better reviews from both critics and players alike. You can't claim they are all wrong, nor that it's part of some conspiracy.

But more to the point, it has more players than DW. The fact more people want to play vermintide - the first one - over DW says it all.

Please don't use the crap 'waaa your COD players and thus have less valid opinions!' argument. Because not only is it BS, it's completely invalid in this case. I don't play COD, I play things like Space engineers, L4D, baldars gate, master of orion 2, etc. Not to mention all previous space hulk games. I'm also nearing 40 before you pull more 'its for the mature crowd' BS.

I am not encouraging these devs - they have done a shit job by biting off more than they can chew. It's clearly not in their power to do the large amount of work needed to bring people back. Let me make this clear - I'd bet gold that they are only doing updates and did EE due to contractual commitments to Focus.

Worthy of note = I'm sure a lot of people at SOS are talented, and suffered purely due to massive mismanagement. I'm sure they will be able to move on to something worth their talents.

@grey-seer I was under the impression from ur posts that when u owned the game u could only play for 30mins or so at a time before it crashed. Plus I thought u got ur refund not long after EE release, so maybe u didn’t play long enough to embrace the customisations, 4 player online coop on No Mercy and FF , etc etc. Hence, formulating an opinion from a possibly very limited play time of EE in addition to crash after crash every 30 mins or so wouldn’t amount to a reliable review or fair reflection of the game.

As you say, it’s a similar game though quite different, so not perfect to make comparisons. I compared technical bugs, crashes which were still rife in Dec 17 onwards on Xbox. Crashes and bugs have been present in V1 for a long while and the bots are still worse than SHDWs so to give it a vastly higher metacritic rating whilst SHDW is chastised for the same issues is misleading.

SHDW is not a L4D clone nor does it seem to wanna be, so comparing the two as one being the right way and one the wrong way isn’t ideal. It’s a different game not a V clone.

When in multiplayer, the player assumes the role of the character, so dialogue would be inappropriate. The bots are stern marines who don’t talk much 😶 🙊 so the difference is not a negative imo

U obviously prefer Vermintide end of story and no wonder, considering ur past bad experiences.

I like them both, but feel the metacritic should be closer to V1s and SHDW needs more patches.

@kommodore77 A few friends have this game too and they have the same opinion as me. EE has brought some fresh air but after the really bad start and after 1,5 year, but for how long? Not long enough judging on numbers of players.

@grey-seer Deathwatch less emo than the Dark Angels!! That’s pretty debatable with Blackshields and the like skulking around. Why not just return to the original chapter of SH history, and what a colourful and character loaded chapter we are too. Baal knows how to rock a location with flair! And besides, everyone knows Sanguinius was the Emperors chosen 👼🏻

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