Well boys and girls, I'm out.

@beernchips said in Well boys and girls, I'm out.:

@ those crying about chasing escort, if you still have so many ships that you crushed the fights, why you don t just cap 3 VPs and hold them until you win instead of chasing something faster than you across all map?

Off the top of my head:

  • If you took too long to take over the points, the opponent will still continue to gain points even with only 2/5, possibly still giving them the win if they started taking them over early.
  • If you've only got one or two line ships left, you can't hold three points.
  • Most obvious point: Because it's a long, boring way to win.

@jamodon Capturing points are okay. I mean there is no fuss about IN Battleship being less expensive then battlecruisers for Eldar. But still silent running escorts capping points are kinda redundant IMO. Say, make it nesessary to bring 2 or 3 escort ships to cap point as an idea? And yeah Tau factions are in huge advantage because of current state or capping even more so then Eldar which have like 70 point average escorts.

If you took too long to take over the points, the opponent will still continue to gain points even with only 2/5, possibly still giving them the win if they started taking them over early.

Your fault to not contesting enemy capping. On a standard map, you can easily cap 2 pts at 2 beginning and the opponent do the same. SO if he have such a huge point advantage that having 3 VPs capped still made you lose it only means that you barely win the main fight while your opponent was more focused on the victory conditions which are not only kill the enemy of the game. In other words you get outplayed and deserve to lose

If you've only got one or two line ships left, you can't hold three points.

You need 1 line ship at mid distance of 2 near points so you can react and contest when 1 escort come cap. with 2 line ships its 4 pts controlled

Most obvious point: Because it's a long, boring way to win

On your mind perhaps but sorry to burst your bubble : not everyone think like you and some people find very delightful to win against someone who only think about killing the enemy by focusing and the victory conditions.
As a side example : on LoL the victory condition is kill the nexus not have a high KDA ratio.

@iyagovos said in hi i'm korean warhammer 40K broadcaster A.K.A Robinology this game have observer mod or replay mod?:

Hi there,

We don't have plans for an observer mode in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2 at the moment.

To interview the devs, could you please send an email to us at communication@focus-home.com?

This quote right here has done more to sway me off the fence then anything else I’ve seen or read this week.

I don’t know what that says to you guys on a personal level but to me it says “there’s no plan for a future with this product, and multiplayer is not a concern”

You at least need either a replay system or an observer mode if you want to generate content/social media traffic for your community to bond over. And that statement seems to completely ignore that concept.

@beernchips said in Well boys and girls, I'm out.:

If you took too long to take over the points, the opponent will still continue to gain points even with only 2/5, possibly still giving them the win if they started taking them over early.

Your fault to not contesting enemy capping. On a standard map, you can easily cap 2 pts at 2 beginning and the opponent do the same. SO if he have such a huge point advantage that having 3 VPs capped still made you lose it only means that you barely win the main fight while your opponent was more focused on the victory conditions which are not only kill the enemy of the game. In other words you get outplayed and deserve to lose

If you've only got one or two line ships left, you can't hold three points.

You need 1 line ship at mid distance of 2 near points so you can react and contest when 1 escort come cap. with 2 line ships its 4 pts controlled

Most obvious point: Because it's a long, boring way to win

On your mind perhaps but sorry to burst your bubble : not everyone think like you and some people find very delightful to win against someone who only think about killing the enemy by focusing and the victory conditions.
As a side example : on LoL the victory condition is kill the nexus not have a high KDA ratio.

So, to bring this full circle, many players don't want to play for the Capture Points, but there's no other option at the moment. Your argument is "they shouldn't give options besides Capture Points, because I like it, and players shouldn't complain that they have to play to the Capture Points."

Not everyone wants to play the thing you're fighting for.

@nemesor-xanxas Have you tried Gladius? They have Necrons as one of the playable races.

@autoxidation I have tried Gladius. It was missing a lot, and the writing wasn’t the best, but I still had fun.

@brn4meplz said in Well boys and girls, I'm out.:

@iyagovos said in hi i'm korean warhammer 40K broadcaster A.K.A Robinology this game have observer mod or replay mod?:

Hi there,

We don't have plans for an observer mode in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2 at the moment.

To interview the devs, could you please send an email to us at communication@focus-home.com?

This quote right here has done more to sway me off the fence then anything else I’ve seen or read this week.

I don’t know what that says to you guys on a personal level but to me it says “there’s no plan for a future with this product, and multiplayer is not a concern”

You at least need either a replay system or an observer mode if you want to generate content/social media traffic for your community to bond over. And that statement seems to completely ignore that concept.

Why is streaming not enough to generate community content? It archives, it's watchable live, it doesn't require people to own the game. I can see why having replays is advantageous, and observers is nice in some minor way, but streaming serves both purposes in-and-of-itself in terms of generating content.

I don't stream, and I can't watch twitch at work. but YouTube isn't blocked. I can't edit my twitch stream on the fly to make it more cinematic. and I can't go back and edit my Archives.
The best thing I can do as an individual is record my games as I play them and upload that. but then we run into the problem of its the player recording while he plays matches. Not an observer casting the matches with both sides revealed and the ship movements, etc from both perspectives.

Just because There are still payphones in some parts of the world doesn't mean I'd settle for the statement "Why do you need a cellphone, find a payphone"

Limiting yourself and trying to claim something is still possible through a very narrow definition is grasping at straws

To each his own but I think your jumping ship a bit early. The devs have already said they plan on enabling the player to remove capture points from matches. As far as multiplayer goes the community is exploiting a single nid ship that will be rebalanced, orks will be tweaked. Marines are a close assault fleet. Target their decks and keep them at range. The devs already confirmed that they are going to look at orks and nids.

My advise is even if you do your refund, keep your eyes on the new patch notes. You may want to come back.

@Romeo sorry but I am not the one crying about cap points so you can t reverse my argument as our base situation is different : you cry about a game more / I don t carewhat game mode I play

And to explain a bit deeper why I react to those "please stop cap points mode" :
You cry about escorts stealth capping but what the fuck are your own escorts doing at the same time? Do you have them or took only big ships in your fleet?
After you identified enemy, do you commit them in fight or do you use them to contest caps ot go cap enemy VPs?

Instead of crying about the game mode, you should ask yourself why you lose in order to improve your way to play.
If you cry today about stealth caps, you will cry in Cruiser Clash about kiting fleets running across all map, you will cry in a data recovery tat you have to chase an eldar LC faster than any of your ship and immune to LS, you will cry in convoy about Orks/SM suicide runs to crash your transports and win the gam before dying, uoi will cry in Assasination that you have 120 sec to kill an ORK BB in Brace for Impact.
All those situations arefrom BFGA1 and the different game modes you are asking for

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@beernchips

How odd that you use those examples, because we already had that stuff in BFG1, yet no one complained about them (The closest we had to an issue was actually the opposite of one of your points: Eldar were practically useless at Data Recovery). Possibly due to the fact that there were other options for playing beyond "sit on this point and wait for a win timer to finish."

Again, instead of fighting people tooth and nail about them not wanting to play your favourite little game mode, why not let them play something they actually enjoy? Shocking prospect for a game, I know, but I think it could work.

LOL no one complained about kitting in BFGA1? or about convoy? Are you real?

@beernchips said in Well boys and girls, I'm out.:

LOL no one complained about kitting in BFGA1? or about convoy? Are you real?

Are you? 99% of the threads in the BFG forums had nothing to do with those, no. Compare that to the fact there's three threads on the very first page referencing the Capture Point system.

Well, not that I want my actions to make up anyone else’s mind. I expect you all to be self directed individuals.

I also did a refund today. The forums were definitely helpful in reaching my conclusion. Seeing some developer responses helped push me off the fence(and clearly, not in a constructive way)

I’ll see how the game goes post launch and follow its news. I can be hopeful for it. But I’m a realist at heart. I’m not willing to wager my time on this currently.

Hope you guys all make decisions that speak to you. And please exterminate the Tyranids.

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@brn4meplz said in Well boys and girls, I'm out.:

Well, not that I want my actions to make up anyone else’s mind. I expect you all to be self directed individuals.

I also did a refund today. The forums were definitely helpful in reaching my conclusion. Seeing some developer responses helped push me off the fence(and clearly, not in a constructive way)

I’ll see how the game goes post launch and follow its news. I can be hopeful for it. But I’m a realist at heart. I’m not willing to wager my time on this currently.

Hope you guys all make decisions that speak to you. And please exterminate the Tyranids.

Yeah, you're in the same boat as myself. Going to be refunding on release I suspect, there's just too many steps backwards from BFG1 to throw my money at it. If things get better later, I'll repurchase it then.

@romeo when they release co-op campaign post release and you come back, ping me a message if you fancy teaming up in Singleplayer

@brn4meplz
I know of a community that still gathers together to play Stellar Impact, let me know if you want me to give you the contact of them.

The balance issues are not suprising. And domination needs some reworks or else the whole reindeer gameplay we are seeing will stay meta.

This game has more potential than the first one. But tge devs do have their work cut out for them