Ship Profiles: Feedback and Discussion

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Do you like the more detailed profiles?
Should I return to the old style of doing things?

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General discussion is also most welcome.

weren't the alpha and beta considered cruiser class?
this might not seem grandiose enough for holding a primarch but it made them a lot easier to hide both in space and among a fleet which was typical alpha legion
alpha legion also rarely deployed large amounts of troops or did the conquer by treat alone tactics usually used by the other legions
making a smaller faster cruiser better for their small stealth deployments

@Ashardalon said in Ship Profiles: Feedback and Discussion:

weren't the alpha and beta considered cruiser class?
this might not seem grandiose enough for holding a primarch but it made them a lot easier to hide both in space and among a fleet which was typical alpha legion
alpha legion also rarely deployed large amounts of troops or did the conquer by treat alone tactics usually used by the other legions
making a smaller faster cruiser better for their small stealth deployments

They passed as cruiser-sized back then, yes, but where still part of the Gloriana Class which are all considered battleships by the 41st millennium.

A weird by-product of ships being much larger in general back then and the fact that only the really large Gloriana warships as are still around.

I've seen them also refered to as a class of Battle Barge as well, as they technically served with the space marine legions more so than the imperial army. Even though most of them look nothing like battle barges.

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ah i assumed those classifications where about tonnage
didnt know cruisers got smaller since then

i loved your work on the ship profiles you posted on the old boards and glad to see them return here. the old version came with pictures, i hope to see them return also. i see that you are using information that isn't available in the old rogue trader roleplay books and i wonder where you get them from.

@shadowsfm I use a similar method to people like Arch Warhammer.
I gather information from various source books, stories and codex fluff and construct a profile for the ship based on all that in a manner that informs of its characteristics and is (hopefully) entertaining to read.

missing a chaos vengeance class grand cruiser and the executor class grand cruiser has the wrong picture

@shadowsfm The Vengeance is listed as an Imperial Grand Cruiser, although both factions use the ship, and I double checked on the Executor and it's the right one.

The one I have is also labelled as an Executor Grand Cruiser, but to avoid confusion I'll use this one.

Since when does Furies and Starhawks got Warp engines?

Rogue Trader - Battlefleet Koronus page 25. on the other hand, page 45 contradicts that

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@imperator Different authors depict them differently, but given the distances they are expected to work over, I thought it was logical that they have at least some level of warp-travel capacity.

The only thing I ever heard of such small warp drives was in the ancient novel Eye of Terror, which also introduced inertial dampeners which made ships mass much less than they did.

This allowed ships to use their thrusters to take off, and not burn the spaceport down with their plasma jets, something that is very logical still for 40k. Plasma tech in 40k is hotter than the Sun.

The other was Grey Knights first novel, which had a very small Inquisition special messanger ship that just had a pilot and a navigator, but that was Ordos tech.

If Furies and Starhawks had warp drive, so would at least the Stormbird and possibly the Thunderhawk, but they do not.

@imperator said in Ship Profiles: Feedback and Discussion:

The only thing I ever heard of such small warp drives was in the ancient novel Eye of Terror, which also introduced inertial dampeners which made ships mass much less than they did.

This allowed ships to use their thrusters to take off, and not burn the spaceport down with their plasma jets, something that is very logical still for 40k. Plasma tech in 40k is hotter than the Sun.

The other was Grey Knights first novel, which had a very small Inquisition special messanger ship that just had a pilot and a navigator, but that was Ordos tech.

If Furies and Starhawks had warp drive, so would at least the Stormbird and possibly the Thunderhawk, but they do not.

Eh... not really. The Fury and Starhawks are actually a fair bit larger than Stormbirds or Thunderhawks. GW gave their size (The WD that introduced BFG) as about the size of a 747.

No idea what 747 is, Furies are around 70 meters, and Warhawk pattern Stormbirds not much smaller since they had twice the carry capacity of a Sokar pattern Stormbird, which is slightly larger (though much wider and more massive) than the 40 meters long Thunderhawk and just looks more like a version of the Thunderhawk that goes for durability instead of the Thunderhawk's Turbolaser firepower.

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@imperator said in Ship Profiles: Feedback and Discussion:

No idea what 747 is, Furies are around 70 meters, and Warhawk pattern Stormbirds not much smaller since they had twice the carry capacity of a Sokar pattern Stormbird, which is slightly larger (though much wider and more massive) than the 40 meters long Thunderhawk and just looks more like a version of the Thunderhawk that goes for durability instead of the Thunderhawk's Turbolaser firepower.

The Boeing 747. :p

But also factor in that while it's twice the mass approximately of a Thunderhawk, both craft are predominantly transport capacity, armour and firepower. A Fury and Starhawk are a fair trot faster. If we use Escort and Cruiser class ships as our metric, the standard for engines and warp drives is about 1/3rd of the ships mass. (1/4 for Battleships perhaps.)

Mind you, personally I don't think that Furies or Starhawks having any sort of warp drive is likely to be regular or standard. The smallest ship I know of that had a warp drive was the assassins ship in Kill Team. But most of the time the Cobra seems to be the smallest Imperial ship to generally possess warp drives.

In older novels like the Eye of terror, smaller ships did have warp drive, but that is pre HH novel era.

It even predates mass effect games with the same technology described, just as part of the inertial dampener system.

All of the Imperium's fighter and bomber craft are capable of keeping up with the motherships as far as I know, which can go up to 50% light speed or even 75% at some points, Thunderhawks, Stormbirds, Furies and all.

@imperator said in Ship Profiles: Feedback and Discussion:

In older novels like the Eye of terror, smaller ships did have warp drive, but that is pre HH novel era.

It even predates mass effect games with the same technology described, just as part of the inertial dampener system.

All of the Imperium's fighter and bomber craft are capable of keeping up with the motherships as far as I know, which can go up to 50% light speed or even 75% at some points, Thunderhawks, Stormbirds, Furies and all.

The mass reduction tech only ever showed up in Eye of Terror and didn't fit anything else, though we know that the Imperium has some pretty insane inertial dampening technology given that even their capital ships are capable of thousands to tens of thousands of gees of acceleration. (In Sabbat Martyr a ship goes 9 AU in 90 minutes from a geostationary orbit over Herodor, the same novel where .75c was referred to explicitly as attack speed when the Chaos fleet arrived.)

@kadaeux

It does make perfect sense though, and I would think that since it has never been obviously stated to be no longer true, it is true since it fits with Imperial Engine systems.

We do know that some ships can land on planets.

Thunderhawks have plasma mode for engines in space and non plasma mode for air travel. Either to reduce stress on the reactor or to not fry the ground troops.

We also know that Imperial plasma technology operates at a hundred million Kelvins, which is very hot. You definately not want it in your starport.

Even modern day space rockets have devastating exhausts that would fry you if you stood very near them.

So for any "spaceport" to scientifially be feasible in sci fi, the ships either need to use "mass effect" like in 40k or , well, ME, or antigrav tech like in SW or ST.

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