@ashardalon said in Fleet of the Machine God:
about boarding it might be relevant that a lot of their skitia... troops are in a form of hibernation to preserve power
This is spot on, most times we see Mechanicus vessels most troops it carries are kept in stasis.
they have more troops and are good at repelling boarders but would be slower to respond to boardings because a lot of the ship is only occupied with servitors that cant report things like getting murderfucked by invading noisemarines
especially invasions by stealth raids like dark eldar would be effective vs them
so higher troop count lower defense? would be my guess on how you could implement it
I'd go with that myself, though with different reasoning. Adeptus Mechanicus ships are not warships, though they are perfectly capable as such. Their primary function is mobile factories and laboratories. They're full of all sorts of stuff that can have catastrophic effects if damaged.
also a lot of their troops are combat servitors that are only useful supporting some kind of leader or defending a known position
their actual think capable skit... troops are an elite force
this might explain the lack of assault boats
combat servitors wouldnt be much use in them and investing skits (im not bothering anymore) is a bad investment strategy
mechanicus bombers should be better anyway
Skitarii are their standard troops, you might be thinking Praetorians. But at the same time, carrying them is far from a standard. But personally i'd explain the lack of Assault Boats being that the AdMech simply doesn't care to bother with them when it can simply use a teleportarium to shuffle troops around. Hell, the Speranza had several teleportariums for moving things within the ship.
mechanicus is powerful but needs the imperium
the imperium and mechanicus are symbiotes of each other
the mechanicus will often bow to inquisitors because if someone can find out they didnt its a political hellhole
fabricator general of mars is probably out of reach tho, no info gets of of mars without the mechanicus approving but on other planets they do need to be careful
why they wouldnt use battlecruisers i have no idea tho
Most Tech Priests tend to ignore inquisitors, some authors forget that. Hell, canonically speaking, both the Adeptus Mechanicus and Adeptus Astartes of any rank can tell Inquisitors to go fly a kite. "legally" speaking, the Inquisition has no authority over them that they do not willingly give an Inquisitor. (But they tend to co-operate when such is convenient anyway. While they can tell an Inquisitor to shove his head up his own ass to look for heresy there, that doesn't mean the Inquisitor can't make trouble over it.)
As for Battlecruisers, hard to say. The Mechanicus seems content to requisition Navy assets to help Explorator fleets. Going back to the Speranza, it had 2 Mechanicus modified Gothic Class Cruisers, 3 Voss pattern ships and the Retribution Class Battleship Cardinal Boras join it on its expedition to the Halo Scar. (And a whole lot of Mechanicus support ships, a Rogue Trader and an Astartes Strike Cruiser)
imperial navy with better lances would be an option to distinguish them
alongside weapons that would fall outside the lance/macro category
A common theme i've noticed is the use of Nova Cannons instead of Torpedo batteries. But even just an energy weapon heavy load would help distinguish them. Instead of regular Macrobatteries they use Plasma Macrobatteries. I'd suggest some funky AdMech tech, but unfortunately it's well documented that they use Macrobatteries and Lances.
But the TT version, each AdMech ship had refits. One refit might increase weapon ranges, at the cost of engine power, or add a third void shield in exchange for reduced firepower etc. I'll post the AdMech refit table tomorrow maybe.
and 40k info is always vague
and outdated info is still correct according to GW
atleast that is how every discussion eventually ends
Pretty much. But even more so with the Adeptus Mechanicus. Seeing their ships is super-rare in the novels. But too few novels cover them anyway
@grey-seer said in Fleet of the Machine God:
Personally, I wonder how Adeptus Mechanicus will differ from the Imperial Navy fleet. Both fleets use ships of the same calls more or less. The design is different but a Dictator is a Dictator with a lance turret and a Tyrant is a Tyrant a lance turret. So I really interested how it will come out. In tabletop, AM has some special rules but I don't know if it is so easily transferable to the game and it could unnecessarily complicate the game.
Honestly. That is the biggest question, because except for the Ark Mechanicus every AdMech ship was "pick an Imperial Navy ship, slap some refits on it". Though being fair, that makes sense. The tech base is the same, the manufacturers are literally the same. Just the AdMech shoves some shiny baubles in theirs.
The first thing we have to take into account is that Battlefleet Gotic is a very old game and it's not supported by a long time too. This time was the darkest time of "Grim Dark" in the wh40k too, to excess. So I would not take everything in these books for the only existing truth. On the contrary, much has been changed for better or worst but it has and we should be critical.
Do you mean BFG was the darkest? Or Gathering Storm? If the latter, Gathering Storm is by far the darkest period in 40k.
There are some things that I do not like and that does not make sense in my opinion according to this fleet in tabletop. Such things as that AM ships do not use assault boats or there is easier to board them because techpriest and servitors can't fight well. This is not logical in my opinion. The vessels are holy relics for them and they would defend them fanatically if they have the means, and they have, skitarii needs much less living space then standard humans and their augmentation can make them more adapted to fighting on the ship decks. Such Sicarian Infiltrators could be deadly in the boarding action. Another thing is that those ships are not touristic liners, they use them to explore the unknown regions of the galaxy and this is a hazardous thing to do. It means fighting sometimes and if they encounter some shim that is of particular interest to them they will not board it because they have not assault crafts because techprist and servitors are poor fighters?
From all we've ever seen they don't use Assault Boats. And really there is no reason for them to. The AdMech is much more likely to just engage in teleport assaults and use the room freed up from Assault Boats for extra fighters or bombers. (But I will also point out, that in Vanilla BFG only the Emperor Class Battleship could even equip Sharks, and you had to pay a premium to do so)
As for the vulnerability to boarding. I'd say that is less because of poor capability and more because, AdMech ships are factories, laboratories etc first, warships second. There is a LOT to break, and a lot to break that could have cascading faults. Imagine for a second what would happen if a poor Factorium ship manufacturing vortex grenades got boarded in that lab!
Another thing that I do not like is lack of battlecruisers in this fleet "To avoid raising the concern of the Imperial Navy". What a crap. If the Adeptus Mechanicus cared about what Imperial Navy thinks in the first place. Adeptus Mechanicus is the most autonomous part of the Imperium, They have the second army in size third size fleet, not to mention monopoly on producing ships and most powerful weapons, they do what they want and rarely you can convince them to do not. People forget about it, even the black library writers. In the new book Imperator: Wrath of the Omnissiah there is an Inquisitor that claims his authority is absolute and even the Fabricator General of Mars has to bow before him because he will swing his sigil. What a crap! Any fabricator would kill him with laughter. Adeptus Mechanicus can bow before inquisition only if they have something to support "their absolute authority" and swinging Inquisitorial rosette right and left is no such thing.
Unless you're counting the Imperium's merchant fleet, the Mechanicus has the 2nd for fleet size. The Astartes represent a very tiny fraction of space assets available (12-24 thousand ships maybe.) to the Imperium, the Ministorum doesn't have a fleet and isn't allowed one after the Goge Vandire incident.
On the other hand, there is plenty to do with the upgrades because we have much more information about Adeptus Mechanicus now.
We know about some Forge Worlds and their specializations, there are plenty of sects and organization within Adeptus Mechanicus, and new weapons too. I don't know if the favor system is still actual and how upgrades will look like but it should not be a problem for this fleet.
I don't think they're going to add new weapons. Maybe modify weapon batteries to reflect the AdMech's higher tech base, but I'm not expecting to see things like capital scale Volkites, or the Speranza's Temporal Black Hole Cannon.
The last thing I will touch here is the source of information. As I have said before the original informations are quite outdated so it should not be rely on. There are official publications in form of codexes a this is the most trustworthy source, unfortunately, a more informative source than descriptive. There are Black Library books too. But here we have to be careful because there is a lot of weird things there like this Inquisitor swinging High Lords of Tere into submission with his almighty rosette. Worrisome there are a lot of people who things that book Mechanikum is some sort the best Mechanicum/Mechanicus book there is. In my humble opinion, it is a very poor book with do not explain a thing and is in many places simply stupid. If someone will have a good book on the topic so I recommend Skitarius and Tech-priest. Those books are entertaining and informative, there is not much stupid thing there, we have even some fleet actions there too.
No, the codexes are by far not the most trustworthy source. Mechanicum is very good, but suffers from being a Horus Heresy novel and thus is caught up in some of the silliness that abounds there. (But also does not cover jack all to do with the Mechanicum's navy.) In addition to Skitarius and Tech-Priest, Titanicus is another good one. But ultimately we really don't have a lot to go on for the Mechanicum's fleet except for the Battlefleet Gothic material. Unlike other things, 40k information doesn't go out of date. So the BFG Mechanicus stuff is as relevant now as it was then.