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@voodoomike said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

@jrco said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

You claim you have data about the 1116 games but you avoid detailing them ? What is the percentage of wins of Higher TV teams is that 100% ? 60% ? More ? Less ? Nope ; you just claim there are data , period. Not very convincing.

I have data from over a million matches on BB1, BB2 and FUMBBL, actually. Here's a thought, if you don't like my summary of what the data says howsabout instead of demanding a different summary you go download the data and verify these facts for yourself? It's pretty clear you're not going to listen to anyone but yourself on this topic, so dig in... but try to understand that your anecdotes and feelings are not serious data that generalizes to the outside world.

Then again, asking for percentages suggests you don't know anything about data analysis so... maybe just sit there, cross your arms and pout?

You just say a statement being an absolute truth that it is Black and white : the highest TV team has the advantage. Except If I did wrongly understand, you even suggest "always" (except some neglectable insignifiant situation ).

And I am the one listening only to myself ?

I just say that I can't believe it is black and white, I believe It is gray and that there are numerous situation where the lowest TV team is not at disadvantage baring inducements.

I do not say it is the majority of situation, I just maintain it is not insignifiant either.

I gave you specific example (ie : Vampire for example) but there are other. You choose to ignore them or explain data to prove me wrong.

ie : Are you absolutely sure :

  • a 1250 Chaos team is so much better than a 1100 elves or Skavens team with a wizard ?
  • a 2250 vampire is better and win in most case against a 2100 Chaos, 2100 chaos dwarves,2100 Necris o or a 2000 Skavens ?

Does your data really demonstrates that ? Let me doubt it.
Your trying to make me look like a fool, is not just unfair, it make me believe you have data but have not done a deep analysis of them. I don't have access to your data, yes, doesn't mean what I say based on experience is necerrally stupid.

Your not trying to discuss but just make your absolute truth the truth. So you obviously do not want to understand that some nuances do exist.

So Be It.

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@voodoomike said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

@jrco said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

I disagree.

Cool, that just makes you wrong. The statement is not that its impossible to win a game when you're the TV underdog, the statement is that all rosters across hundreds of thousands of games display superior win rates at a TV advantage than they do at a TV disadvantage. This isn't a feeling.. or an anecdote.. this is a fact.

This is a fact ...said You.

Sorry your belief is wrong. and that is a fact too.... Said me.

I read your message and your full of certitude and very often assert general truth as if it was the absolute truth , but here your wrong.

That in general the Higher TV team has an advantage shouldn't hide that in numerous situation also inducement may give the advantage to the lower TV team. It may not be the majority of situation, but I claim it ain't neglectable either.

Fact you deny it, well : doesn't mean you are right.

You claim you have data about the 1116 games but you avoid detailing them ? What is the percentage of wins of Higher TV teams is that 100% ? 60% ? More ? Less ? Nope ; you just claim there are data , period. Not very convincing.

And at what TV range are you data ? Are they Consistent across races ? What TV difference do You consider... etc... I doubt you have done a very detailed and depp study to support your claim.

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@voodoomike said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

@jrco said in Another day with Claw, sad...:

On One hand Some Team with a Lower TV in a High TV difference game can fare very well. I have very often seen the low TV team reinforced with inducement become the best squad.

You mean like Halfling teams doing better when they're 400 TV down? These are urban legends. All rosters do better when they're at a TV advantage. No roster does better when it is playing from a disadvantage. That doesn't mean all higher TV teams are better - you can build a team with a high TV that is total garbage, but if you didn't then your higher TV team has an inherent advantage over an opposing team with a lower TV (relative to how the game would play out if you both were playing those same rosters and had equal TV, or the TV advantage was reversed).

I disagree. You take short cut and make a statement that I believe is very wrong. For example : take a vamp team, very often they are the higher TV team, But Rarely the best team. Usually inducement severely imbalance game for the lower team in that case. And there are other examples. And there are Data to prove it, if Vampire were a dominant team data would show it ..... and it isn't the case.

Want a proof that the higher TV is not necesserally "an inherent advantage" in all occasions : I currently play in LFBB a Rookie Vamp team surrounded by experienced teams. Each Game I receive tonns of inducements, It helps me scoring 3 wins, 2 draw and only 1 loss (If you want to check that I am not lying Cf : http://ligue-bloodbowl.fr/classements/chpt.html?du=99&dd=100&dt=101#division3c).

One key for success in Match making is TV management as some different race are more efficient at some tV than other.

That is why any experienced player knows that an advantage in TV doesn't
necesserally means you have the advantage. Sometimes it is the case, but sometimes not.

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@dode74 said in Another day with Claw, sad...:
Would you agree that a match with a close TV+ rating difference is less predictable than a match with a high TV+ rating difference ?

Don't want to interfere too much in your debate, but on that particular point I am not sure that there is an absolute Rule.

On One hand Some Team with a Lower TV in a High TV difference game can fare very well. I have very often seen the low TV team reinforced with inducement become the best squad.

On the other Hand sometimes it is the opposite and inducments do not really help.

So about your statement that TV+ helps reduce the TV difference than makes it for more balnaced game (I believe you use "unpredictible games" as a synonym to "Balanced Game"), I am not sure it is true.

I understand the intent, But I am not sure it does reach the target.

Only thing I am sure is there is no perfect system that will allow to pair players in MM. So going with what the game as to offer works for me.

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@halflingchef said in NEW OGHAM:

I'm interested still needing a player?

We will be able to make room for you, just leave a message on sign up forum (see link in my previous message)

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Great News !

Have you already decided at what date season X will end ?

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Seems it has been launched today (October 17th)

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@naissun said in AFK Concede:

trust me.
No disrespect but why should I?

No disrespect but I do not really care whether you trust me or not. This sentence ("Trust Me") was what we called a "Figure of speech", I am a little bit amazed you seems to take it personnally.

If one day you receive one, you will understand what I am saying.

Do we know each other?

Nope, but why are you suddenly becoming agressive and ungentle ? I would like to understand what I wrote that did angry you. How a genral statement can be felt as an offense to you in particlar ?! That would be very kind of you to explain (But yes why should you be kind ?....etc...LOL).

If you want to discuss which of a warning or a ban is more appropriate in our case, I'm glad to do so but your assumptions about my person are not a proper argument.

Where in the hell have I made assumption about you ?! My answer was a general statement and didn't point to you in particular. There ain't any reason here for you to become emotional.

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@coldy said in AFK Concede:

This is a very important problem and i wanted to write somethings too :)

This is a game and there should be freedom to go afk, got angry, cry or wine ... imo even insults should be ok.

I disagree, It is a game but also a moderated competition.

Rules that are implemented are choosen with care to ensure most people may have fun. But yes, when enforcing it, without being lenient, give the other one the chance to give his version and issue warning before a permanent ban are a minimum basic wisdom to my opinion.

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@Naissun

Warning First would be in your Mind a lenient approach ?!

I can tell you as a Manager I have already have to issue warning to some people and I can tell you they didn't feel it was something to take lightly, nor they felt it was lenient. A warning is a serious Stuf, trust me. If one day you receive one, you will understand what I am saying.


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